I'll try that but it felt fine fore to aft. Just didn't conform to my posterior the way the Ideale did. Probably because the Ideale has had a lot more butts and miles on it

Oh and neither of the pictures represent the way I actually rode them. The seat clamp in the Frejus picture is on backwards, which I fixed, which puts the saddle back farther. I also leveled and raised the seat about an inch (the frame is on the low side of what fits me). On the Masi I lowered the seat about an inch (bigger frame) and leveled the seat to my usual preference (level, no tilt fore or aft).