I do not think that Ru or VG are fat, so hush. No more fat jokes and I really wasn't trying to be offensive RU. As I have said before I am a little jealous of people who have more of a traditional athletic build and naturally carry a reserve of fat. The perfection of a lean steak marbled with fat comes to mind as a good description. With the exception of being on the bike, having what can be described as a feminine upper body is not so enviable. Unless you are a girl of course.