I actually even like the old B-100 and other variants of the vinyl-covered "mattress" saddles made by brooks and used on the lower-end and mid-ranged Raleighs. They are a bit on the squishy side but for around-town riding on an upright bike they do a fine job. They do tend to tear or rip after time but are not that hard to mend with vinyl cement when they eventually do. Vinyl cement is just as tough as new vinyl if a repair is done correctly.