Well, I never said any other steel frames were junk - I think I said "Reynolds 531 or Columbus SL or SLX for vintage bikes. Anthing else is not very desirable. Reynolds 853 for more modern bikes. Anything else is not worth it. Tange or Ishiwata??? No way." For resell purposes, Reynolds 531 or SL/SLX are the way to go - anything else has a much lower resell value. I don't think they are junk - they just don't hold the same value. If you're on eBay and you see Tange or Ishiwata tubing - that's not really an asset for selling the bike the same way 531 or SL/SLX is - I never equated this to riding - only to resell value.

Again - I was speaking about reselling bikes and what to buy that is the best investment for a resell. Heck - I'm looking for a 1970's UO-8 Peugeot and Schwinn racer because I had both those bikes when I was a kid. I'd pay $100 bucks for either one in good condition because of the nostalgia and personal value. But I would not look twice at a Tange frame with Simplex components. The audience and market for 531 and Sl/SLX frames is probably 1000x the market for anything else. If I am going to buy a bike for reselling I want a bike 1000 people are interested in, not just 1 or 2. It's not a question of junk or not - it's a question of size of market and potential buyers.

As far as junk I did say Presta valves don't indicate anything - There's a lot of pure junky old bikes with presta.