Originally Posted by snarkypup

I'm fairly certain our definitions are different, remembering the thigh thread and your picture there (I will never, ever forget that thread, for so many reasons). I just mean: can I haul groceries up the mile-long moderate grade near my house. Currently, I can easily pedal the Panasonic up it, but not the Raleigh. The Panasonic, however, does not DO groceries <insert snotty sniff from bike>. The Raleigh does not DO hills, at all. With lowered gearing, it would do that hill, if I stood up and pumped and nearly killed myself. I want a bike I don't have to stand up and pump.


But am I climbing over 3000 feet on Snoqualmie Pass? No. Will I ever do that, on any bike? No. So that's what I mean by substantial. Like, neighborhood-substantial.