yes,but from Oakville to Hamilton doing the long route would be 20 k correct me if I am wrong, then from Hamilton to Stoney Creek ???? from and if you take the Wine route from Stoney Creek that's another 70 K, I did that route and my Kilomter reading was at 210 K when I reach Niagara falls from Scarborough. I visirted the website of TBN and they say its only 168 K, I want to know which route is the shortest, I will call the TBN coordinator is there are cancellation, because if I mail my application it won't reach them on time. or I will show up on Saturday at there meeting place at High Park at Granadier Restaurant and see what happen.