Thanks for the info. My bike was an Pylon 3 urban bike. All the components where in good condition tbh with the chain, bottom bracket, front and back gear cogs all being replaced last month and also increasing from 8 to 24 gears...hence my really wanting to use all parts rather than buy a whole new bike.

Will go into the shop and look at the frame today. My company does have an spray booth with some wicked colours if I want to hide the Butler name.

I've done 1000 miles on my bike this year, till a week ago anyway, so does get a fair bit of use. I guess after having one aluminum frame crack on me has made me a bit nervous of them. My plan of action was to keep my Saracen going for another 2 years and then after my mortgage was paid off, getting a really 1st class bike. Just buying a frame for now means I can still get a great bike in a couple of years without wasting to much money on this bike now