I find it puzzling that this debate about fast randonneuring vs. just-trying-to-make-the-cutoffs-and-finish-the-route randonneuring comes up on the internet all the time. I've seen it here multiple times, on the randon google group and in other forums. Yet it never seems to come up when I'm riding in a brevet or hanging out with other randonneurs in the real world. And it's not that I only hang out with one type of rider. I've ridden with the lead group (until I get spit out the back), I've ridden near the back, and I've spent some time in the middle. While on the road everyone just seems to be out having a good time trying to achieve their own goals, be they making friends, setting personal bests or just finishing the ride. Might there be a vocal but tiny minority on either end of the spectrum stirring things up just for fun?