hm paketa quotes 1400-1600 g frame weight for their Scud racing model. Not worth it then IMHO, my aluminium bike which is by no means a high end machine comes in at 1300 g. Heck, even my old ALAN is 1600 g frame weight! on top of that people have been building steel bikes in 953 or xCr in the 1500 g ballpark, so even steel can top these units.