I use the pendle as a handlebar bag.And it works out great for my self.I have the Camper longflap on the rear and a set of carradice super c panniers on the rear and front as well. All of them is great I thing I have took a few week end trips I am very happy with them.My self I would not use anything else.If you don't think they want keep your stuff dry then add a set of dry bags to them that's what I did.