Thanks, I want to stay with one of my LBS which one has the Treks the other the Giants. I have three Trek/Fisher MTBs at the house. Wrenching is not an issue as I have a stand and tools. PG if I could get the Defy 1 for that price that you did it would be a no brainer! But my lbs is set at 1300 for the Defy and 1249 on the Trek. Only difference between the two bikes that I could see was the 105 crank on the Defy. Though I am more partial to the Red/black scheme on the Trek. Ride wise both very comparable. I just saw that frame and knew it was the same one as the Defy. Thanks Gene