I was looking for them. They pop up on eBay every now and then. I eventually grabbed a set of the non- '+' models without the adjuster or cartridge pads for a price that was too good. Wish I had gotten the plus model but usually I don't care. Replacement pads might be difficult on the non-plus model is the only issue I see. They're an awesome brakeset. You can adjust them how ever you like. What really sold me was the brake pad clearing the inside of my fork leg. With Avid Shortys I had to deflate 38s to get the tire out and my 32 tubulars were a wiggle and shove affair if the tire was inflated. With the Kore Kross I just pop the straddle cable and they swing completely clear. I could shove a smallish 29er tire in there inflated with the clearance I have now.