Roger - after spending 45 minutes writing a private message to you, I lost it on Send due to a system error as I haven't sent 50 forum messages yet (so no PMs allowed). Why didn't the morons (system software designers) tell me that when I tried to create a PM in the first place? Damn - I hate losing so much writing. If you want to contact me, I'm velotrain@yahoo.com. I also have a book out on riding in the region, but am happy to help you directly. http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Tours-.../dp/0881505757

ChamplainCycler - I agree, I've always been amazed at how well even the smallest farm roads in NE NY are paved, but I gather that comes from the large Clinton county budget. Things are very different in Franklin county, and I even ran across some town meeting minutes from there saying they'd heard Clinton paved two roads that didn't need it, so maybe the paving companys have friends in the county administration. Anyway, outside of the Plattsburgh area there are many miles of quiet and well-paved roads. I like the large outdoor sculpture collection at SUNY-Plattsburgh, especially the "Fedora".