Originally Posted by
toosahn
I assume it's your Mash? That saddle-to-bar drop is exactly the think that bugs me about my IRO's geometry. It has a 59cm toptube and a 56cm headtube. And since I got my IRO prebuilt, the fork was already cut too short and thus I have a horrible saddle-to-bar drop. I dunno why it seems that many frames are sized in this way rather than having a square type geometry (i.e., 59cm top-tube AND 59cm seat-tube). True, all can be adjusted for with longer steertubes, shorter stems, higher stem angles, etcs. But to me, that's inelegant.
Most all of the bikes I see do have that square geo, or they have longer top-tubes (Leader, Dodici). If you want to have zero drop you don't want a track bike. Get a Rivendell or a cruiser or a hybrid, or just a bunch of spacers. btw, you're getting top-tube and head-tube confused. Top tube length also isn't the only thing that determines your drop. For example, my Mash has a 590mm ST and a 550MM TT. Add in a short head tube and you have more drop and the forward sloping geo. If the head tube was longer you could have zero drop and the top-tube would be
even shorter.