Meh thanks to those guys who showed the support while I needed to vent.. not so much thanks to you guys who just seized on certain points and are looking to blame me rather then understand I had to vent so I could get back to my project (which I finished last night!) I take full responsibility for buying the wheelset, I chose to listen to an "Expert" and that's my fault, and I will treat this as a lesson, new or used or whatever, I will treat just like my junk yard finds, and assume the worst until proven otherwise. The best therapy I found though, was when the bike was done I took it for a ride down my trail and all was forgotten.