Yeah, tnorman, what bothers me is that I'll do 20-25MPH on most of the ride (it seems), but end up with a lousy 15 MPH or so avg. Frankly I don't clock my times or averages closely, as bike-commuting is primarily a means of transport for me. But I think I counted 50 or so stop lights and signs on my route recently. Man, what I'd do for 10 !!!!