FBinNY
1. Hubs - publish AS-IS
2. Rims - publish AS-IS
That's what manus should be doing - no massaging...I think we agree on that...
...however you seem to have forgotten that my point has always been that ERD is END-USER/BUILDER driven - it's not an as-is spec, whitepaper spec, etc. Never has been, never should be.
Nipple sizes, nipple threading, nipple profiles, spoke thread lengths, joints/seams, and builder preference DICTATE that ERD can never be an AS-IS spec. It's impossible...too many variables...
Hence my argument that IF you are going to publish ERDs, tell people your NIPPLE and AIM when publishing - or don't bother.
Damon Rinard (SpokeCalc) tells you he's aiming for the top of a 10mm standard profile nipple.
I tell folks (SpokeChart) that I'm aiming for the screwdriver flat of a 12mm standard profile nipple.
...and to be honest...it's not that hard to do. Seriously, if people are building wheels all the time - theyare also jotting down numbers all the time as well. It can be too much skin off their shoulders to grab the darn keyboard and mouse and take a minute.
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Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life