Old 08-18-11 | 03:30 PM
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John Forester
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Originally Posted by genec
So you, instead of working to correct the errors (such as creating better standards), instead emphasize that cyclists should ride on roads designed for high speed motor vehicles, putting us smack dab in the way of cars, and then you go on to "preach" that the rules of the road should be sufficient to protect cyclists, when in fact these same rules of the road are blatantly violated all the time, resulting in at least 40,000 deaths of motorists a year.

I don't know who spouts the greater amount of propaganda... motorists that admit they want us out of the way, and try to accommodate that desire, or self-appointed "experts" that work to keep cyclists on the roads designed for motorists... because it is the "cyclist's right."
Gene, you write as if from knowledge, but you have so little knowledge, and so little sense of proportion, that your statements are no more than ideology. You assert that the motorist death rate of 5 deaths per 100000000 miles of driving demonstrates that the roads cannot be safe for cyclists. Please provide details of your calculations that go from motorist death rate to hazard for cyclists. Well, do you actually have such calculations?

Furthermore, you criticize my failure to make any effort to make the roads safer for cyclists. Please provide the data that you use to demonstrate this claim. You evidently have no knowledge of the amount of effort that I have exerted over the past forty years.

Furthermore, you evidently have no knowledge of how the highway management system operates, although I have told you the facts several times. I repeat "To go back to the beginning, American cyclists have had forty years of government trying to force us to ride as motorists desire for their own convenience and on facilities designed by motorists to keep cyclists out of the way of cars, all supported by a batch of scientifically worthless propaganda publications." When that is the policy of the highway establishment, they oppose just about all means of improving the roads for lawful, competent cyclists.
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