Originally Posted by Giacomo 1

Nagasawa may very well be a very good frame, even better than most Italian frames, but to the uninitiated, it would likely go un-noticed for the most part. Now a decaled Colnago or a red, white and green Bottecchia with Campy gear would sing as something special to even non cycling folks who look at it.

I ride a Miyata and I really enjoy it, but most people who see it will ask me if it is Italian, and I say no of course. In their minds, Italian means a great road bike, Japanese means Toyota like dependability, but white bread anonimity.