I have 2 Avatars in my garage. I took them off 2 bicycles that were OEM issue. The 143 mm saddle is too wide for me. I prefer my Specialized Toupe Expert Plus or my Selle Italia SLR. The SLR Fibra is very comfortable and light, but the leather on it is crap. It scuffs from bicycle shorts and bleeds black dye. Black streaks on shorts that aren't black are visible after a ride. The Toupe is a little heavier, but is just as comfortable and doesn't have a leather cover. A Toupe Pro is closer in weight to the SLR Fibra.