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Old 09-17-11 | 05:34 PM
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Robert Foster
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Originally Posted by HawkOwl
Put in perspective and to be sure we are comparing like things, the oranges to oranges concept, how many people were killed in motor vehicle collisions? Without looking it up I venture to say that many times 10 have been died in motor vehicle collisions.

Then there is the matter of fault. Assuming the number "10" is correct who caused the death. In this context big difference between a death self-caused and one imposed by a passing motorist.
Still it points out you have a better chance, as a cyclist staying with oranges to oranges, of being murdered in Seattle than being hit and killed by a car.

Just saying if the numbers he posted were correct, he stated 10 in Washington, the city crime pages list 30 murders in Seattle alone so it would seem as if at least in this case people are more dangerous than cars. So do we have a movement to become people free? While any death may be considered a sad thing it doesn’t seem as if cars can be blamed for suburbs or for causing more deaths than living with other people with or without a car.

One thing the internet has allowed us is exposure to more people with more extreme ideas than we might be exposed to in normal daily life. Why some may ask? Because in normal daily life we would break from conversation before we ever got to the point of hearing the extreme ideas. In normal daily life we simply will not read articles by people we dislike or disagree with. In normal daily life when someone indicates they are at war with you they are marked as an enemy and you delight in anything that brings them discomfort.

The reason I don’t believe there is a backlash to cycling is because there never was a major gain. We may see more people on bikes but that could also be because we are looking for more people on bikes. Go to any open social gathering and cycling simply doesn’t come up. If it did it would be in passive interest because a cyclist might comment on the number of miles they ride and the average person finds that interesting. Not inspirational I might add, just interesting. To have a back lash you first have to be noticed and with just over one percent average for cycling commuters in the US it is hard to say we are noticed. Many of the city improvements we advocate for may not be taking place or may be voted against but that hasn’t changed much in the last 100 years.

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