Originally Posted by Wogster

Didn't note you were from So.Cal., okay so skip the fenders, and yeah some people love Brooks, some people hate Brooks, but the concept is still there, you have one bike for club rides, which is probably more performance oriented, so in adding another one, you want something that is more comfort oriented. A bike where you can comfortably laze in the saddle all day, maybe run a compact crank if you don't want a triple, maybe put the bars a little higher. The idea isn't a bike that will do zero to sixty in less then 2 seconds, it's a bike you can get on, when you don't really have anything to do that day, and ride to the next town. I'd still throw a rack on the back.... I would also get a frame that can accommodate fenders and nice wide tires with the fenders installed. One frame to consider would be something like a Surly LHT...