Originally Posted by
raydog
You must be kidding, maybe I didn't make myself clear, the pain is the result of intense self effort not an ill fitted bicycle. My point is we place too much effort on avoiding pain at the expense of conditioning improvement.
So, the thesis is, "You can't improve ("intense self-effort") without pain?
I think there are some trainers who might disagree a bit with that. A carefully planned training program might involve some discomfort, but does not have to (and should not) be "painful."