That was my point. I didn't know anything about bikes when I bought my Surly but I've changed some things out slowly. Buying a first bike is definitely a learning experience and because building a bike is generally 50% more expensive than buying the same complete bike, (that is $1,500 to build it using the same components vs. buying it complete), I feel that buying a fairly expensive bike is always more rewarding. It means less upgrading down the road. Even if you feel you don't ride often enough to justify spending more money now, you probably will always want a better bike later. Upgrading never ends, not in a bad way, though. It kind of becomes a hobby and starting off with decent components makes it a little less frustrating.


FWIW, the Surly LHT now comes with disc brakes. The Ogre is worth a look, too. Also, they're still which is worth a lot to some people.