Like a few others have stated I find it easier to set up the pads and clamp them to the rim ( I use a small welding vise grip ) and then use my third hand tool to adjust the cables then deal with centering them when done, seems to work every time for me and yes Dia Compe/Suntour's are not as easy as most Shimano units are to set up but most work just as good when done right. I used to hate setting them up before I discovered this method as I have problems with my hands but now it's no problem.