I know weight is not a primary factor for touring bikes but I did notice that the safari (29.9 lbs) is heavier than the randonee (28.1 lbs), and that the most mentioned con is "heavy". Both come with rear racks which I assume is included in the weights. Just wondering if in the big picture it really made much difference. I assume the safari is heavier because it simply has a longer frame for the same given size in order to accommodate the closer hand position of the butterfly bars.