I actually totally agree with the LBS comment. I would go there except my LBS doesn't speak english, and I'm in the process of moving back into the united states. I'm all about supporting small buisnesses, its just insufferably hard in this case. I agree, I should probably just wait until I get back to the states, find a LBS I like, and support them. I guess I was just trying to capitalize on an oppertunity to buy a 4500 groupset instead of the new 4600 for a good price, and have it waiting on me when I got home to america.