Dbakl, fascinating link you provided, racing pic and even an exploded view of the TdF. Gridplan, that is fabulous, and with the box, I am blown away. I had no idea I would get this depth of information. Thanks to all of you. Well, I was hoping to get a nice triple plateau crank out of the deal to make a nice steel touring bike. We will see. The worn out crap on eBay going for $150, unbelievable... I think the economy is not too bad for some.