So, the other day I was meeting friends for a ride and it was a day where it would be nice, then ten minutes later be raining. No problem I decided to take my older steel bike with full fenders. As I went to lift the bike up on the roof of the car I was reminded that steel is real......REAL HEAVY!!! I'm use to putting my CF bike up there, no problem, it's as light as a feather, but this thing almost broke my back. I was NOT having fun!!! Old fashion steel bikes, old fashion tube materials....not fun.