Rob, thanks for the data. Removal is a fair point. I think they are stupid but can't say it hurts much to provide them, it is a very small BO. I need to figure out some cool thing to keep in there. I keep spokes in my panniers and they look brand new at the end of the tour. It would be tough to do them any serious harm. Some people like keeping them in the seatpost, though I really hate moving the seat once I have it dialed in. Though I never have to replace a spoke so maybe that is not much of an objection.