I understand about the HTFU. It's unfortunate, but I get it. Symbols I would like to see would be heraldic imagery that conveys what we are all about. Many are not keen on references to weight, and I can appreciate that. We are clydes - we are strong. The arm from the Armstrong crest would be a great image to blaze across the shield. That says more about the clyde spirit than broken spokes or eating utensils ever could.