Hey, thanks for the info. Although I like the built-in chain tensioners (another thing that I'd really like in a new frame) on the Leader, I think the ST angle is still too steep. Plus, I've heard so many things about Leader it's sort of left me a bit skeptical. The Maxway on the other hand, I'm sort of liking. Same thing though, 74 ST angle. I think the Wabi would be nice, good price, Reynolds tubing. And you can buy the whole bike for around 600, pretty serious deal. looking into how much the Canadian shipping is.