Glad the Innova ice huskies sound like they hold up ok. I didn't want to drop $150 on nokians to find out I hate winter biking. If the innovas last a season ill be happy. Sounds like I may get two out of them. I figure ill be commuting about 800 miles during snow/ice season so I hope they last...they should. Thanks for the answers guys! Im going to hit my local REI this weekend and see what they have for pants. I also ordered some lizard skin fork boots for my rock shox dart 3.