This is a commuter thread, ya? I did 4 years in college with a Motiv- used, couldn't tell you where it came from. No problems with brakes, etc. These are bikes, not cars. Don't get all excited about weight, frame strength, unless it's your thing. I've never seen a commuter on the side of the road with a broken frame, brakes out, etc. Sure, it's fun to have a sweet bike, but c'mon. 5 mile to work- get a nice seat, learn how to adjust derailleurs, enjoy!