Ok sorry, I got carried away i guess. I see yer point but, when I was looking at the bikes I really want the much nicer hardrock sport and I offered to pay for the extra money but they didnt want me too even though I had a lot of money at that time, that is mainly why Im mad sorry I didnt say that because I thought u people in this forum were, like people that all have at least a cheap good bike, from my first impression here this forum is almost like say,a radio shack grade rc forum compared to a hobby grade rc forum but Ive seen a mix of that here