Originally Posted by jimmuller

Here's a thought. Pick up a set of MAFACs while they are still attached to a complete UO8 frame, then just don't detach them. You may come to agree with johnph77. For minimal investment you'll get a nice-riding, versatile bike. The only down side is that you have to suffer the barbs of C&V people who look down their noses at them. But you'll know better and thus can feel superior.