I had the 25mm tires installed because they were readily available from a small store where i go, they were inexpensive but decent quality and my immediate goal with this bike was just to ride it recreationally on an upcoming trip-- not for touring and commuting. It is just accidentally that i got this bike that happens to be a touring frame bike so now i am wondering if/when i want/need a touring bike is this one good enough or will i want/need a Trek 520 or Surly LHT because maybe it's a lighter, better handling bike. Right now for recreational rides this Jamis feels clumsy and a little bit like a pig of a bike ( as someone online in a review described it). It doenst seem to match with 25mm tires very well. My other road bikes are more sporty rides. But having never ridden a Surly LHT or Cross Check, or a Trek 520 I dont know how they compare. Thats why i am asking. These other bikes are about $1100 new and i got this Jamis cheap.