Thanks again for all the advice and information everyone is sharing. Opinions and facts both help figure things out. I went to look at a Gary Fisher today an 07 Mako which had a 19" frame which was a bit small. The guy did have another Fisher older Wahoo 21" haven't hunted the year down i would assume earlier version which i sat on and felt much more natural. Sadly as i was looking at the bikes the heavens decided to open up and pour down so my visit was cut short. Apparently this guy buys truck loads of bikes from local police auctions and resells them. So I am going to try and take a look Saturday at some of the larger framed bikes he had. My one question is that on both bikes i looked at the components did look a bit aged/rough as far as gears/shifters etc.. how expensive/difficult are these to fix/replace? I am mechanically capable of doing it my self unless recommended to go to the LBS.