Grasschopper I know what you mean I live in state college and bikes on cl are crazy high, I have found that the end of fall and spring semesters are best times to buy. I got a caad 5 lefty full xt for 550 needed new shifters. That eclipse is a nice steel bike but took the wheels off maybe 1400. I think the increase cost of new bikes have driven some markets I was in sticker shock looking at a caad10 ultegtra.