First off, this is a very constructive debate!!

We need some STATS here!!

A bicycle vs 3000+lbs of moving steel is NO-WIN for the bicycle. From my limited experience on the bicycle, I see that BEING SEEN, SHOULD, not saying I am correct, but BEING SEEN should be priority one for the bicycle rider!

In addition, on these bicycle lights, yes, the tech had skyrocketed on these lights, and they are better, but how many bikers got those high price super bright headlights? Taking a guess, I would say about 5% of bicycles that run lights are running those high price super lights. I am just taking a guess. I got 9 bikes. I am running $3.00 lights on two of them, and $25 lights on another two. I take care even with my el-cheapos to point them downward and not upward. But, I do want to be seen..

In the morning when I leave for my commute, it is dark. I have to get on a 30mph single lane in each direction, with no shoulder(I have to take the full lane) and the cars are zooming by at 50 and 60 mph.. When I merge out into the traffic on that road, the cars coming up behind me MUST SLOW DOWN.. They are doing a minimum of 40 mph.. If they don't see me, and here I am come with my 10 to 12 mph starting speed, going up to about 18 mph, then I am toast. Now, in a situation like that, am I supposed to be worrying about blinding those car drivers with my front or rear lights, or should I be worrying that these cars do see me and slow down?? I am 100% on the latter.

One would say, why do I travel that road? Well, it is the only way out for me. I go another route, it triple times more dangerous. Again, the most lights I am running are a PB 2W Blaze up front, PB Beamer blinky on my helmet, and a Superflash Turbo on the rear.. That is about $60 worth of lights.. For me riding that dangerous road, I am way UNDER LIGHTED.

IMO, I like to see some stats on bicycles with bright lights causing hazards/accidents/deaths!!

IMO, the lights on bicycles irritate a lot of people just like the bad bikers who don't obey the laws. But, even the bad bikers are not causing mayhem out there. Of all the car drivers on the road, 80% of them can't drive. I got that stat from over 50 years of driving on the roads. You should see the stuff that car drivers do.

Again, this is my opinion, but the stats will tell it like it is. Is the car more dangerous to the bicycle, or is the bicycle more dangerous to the car..