I started with a b17 on my mtb commuter with an upright position. Tried a swift when I got a road bike, but it was too narrow. I settled on the team pro. They have thicker leather and take a lot of miles to break in, but they fit me the best in an aggressive riding position. Eventually I switched over to the specialized toupe on my road bikes. I still have a team pro hanging on the wall in case I ever do some touring.