Originally Posted by
John Forester
I see, Hagen, you are arguing that the cyclist, to reach a driveway on the other side of the street, should walk his bicycle across four lanes of traffic where there is no cross street. Your hatred of operating in the vehicular manner is shown by your argument. Looking at the photo of actual traffic, there isn't enough to be troublesome when making the left turn in the vehicular manner. It is very clear that you are traffic-incompetent and therefore not qualified to make statements about vehicular cycling.
And you assume that the volumes of traffic shown in the photo reflect the traffic conditions at all times...
I can show you pictures of Genesee or Miramar road at times when you can lay down in the street, and at other times when it is far less forgiving. There are times on both roads when I can easily make vehicular left turns, and there are times when I could hold my arm out "forever" to signal a lane change and motor traffic will not let me in.