Stupid modern wheels!! Jeez you'd think they could make it less complicated. The hubs all seem to have their own way of going together, and don't get me started on the multitude of different spoke nipples. I saw some yesterday that looked like a reverse (male)torx? The spokes are another thing. I have been trying to fix a wheel for a week and a half now, and they had to be ordered. The nipples didn't come with the spokes, so I had to call in again. Seriously? wtf?,,,,BD