Ive looked for a while and cant really find a thread with a good comparison between the two.

Besides the weight benefits of Red, the biggest 2 things i see with red over force is ceramic bearings in the RD and Zero-Loss.

Ive recently acquired a Foil 20 frame (54), and its gonna be my first WW build, all done by yours truly. I already got Williams 58 CC, Arione CX saddle, 2x Blackburn cages (26g)an easton EC90 stem and im looking at williams carbon bars (42mm) (weight and pricepoint). I really dont want to go overkill and get boutique parts for way too much money, but I also want to get the best value. Im not looking at sub-15lb pounds either but im looking to hit that weight at an affordable price.

Anyone with experience on both?