trying to find some good cleaners for the shop. we used to use avenir cycle brite, but they stopped making that about a year ago. the pink finish line bike wash sucks, might as well use water. we were using pedros bike lust for a while and that was ok. cant get bike lust anymore. we are trying out finishline showroom polish and its ok, not good for the tough stuff. for nasty bikes that are over lubed, i take some citrus degreaser(orange peelz or anything with d limonene) and a scotchbrite to loosen everything up, then follow up with polish.