Originally Posted by genec
Yeah, but it still reflects on all cyclists. I see light jumpers from time to time on my commute while I am patiently waiting behind the 2nd or 3rd car... so do drivers then expect me to jump the light too... or worse, do they then expect me to filter forward so they don't have to wait the nano seconds for me to clip in a get up to speed?
At a light where there's already cars ... wouldn't usually do it. But here's the thing -- if a car isn't at a light, you can sit literally all day waiting for a light. The little detectors in the tar don't know you're there. Its not really fair to say "obey all the laws exactly like a car" but then create an infrastructure that treats bikers like 3rd class citizens (pedestrians are 2nd class -- they at least get a button to push).