Yeah but with mechanical disc I need a new wheel and at this point I figure every dollar I don't spend is a dollar better spent down the line. Brakes are uber important obviously, except for outdoorboy. If the only way to see a real improvement is to go disk then I need a wheel, or set, starts to add up quick. I am not cheap, I just hate to throw money at a problem if there is a better way.
Those hydrolic v brakes are pretty cool though, thanks for the link.