Originally Posted by
FBinNY
There's also a bit of confusion in that many of the "welded" bikes of the period in question, weren't in fact welded, but had brazed butt joints without benefit of filets or lugs. These so-called frames were very common at the low end of the spectrum, and while usually OK, prone to failure.
Current mat
Uhmmmm......."prone to failure"?

.......I don't know if I would make the same generalization about lugless brazed frames as Peugeot made thousands of lugless brazed frames frames in the 80's using their own internal brazing method to construct their lugless frames and those bike frames are known through the years to be tough and reliable and have excellent ride characteristics, despite being entry level frames/bikes, and are now quite popular with new C&V cyclists.
Chombi
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