Paint job and shotty saddle/tt pad aside - still the Kilo? To be honest, I could give a hoot what the paint jobs are - I am looking more into the quality of the steels. I read that the Kilo is Reynolds 520 tubing and the SE is just stating chromoloy, so maybe 4130? I am not that educated in different steel grades, and both bikes being the same prices is why I ask. The SE does come with a bottom bracket and headset so that helps a little?