Don't know it I said this earlier, but there is a what looks like a stress fracture on both the TT and the DT, which to me says that the frame was in a wreck prior to my owning it. The crack at the bottom of the headtube just proves it even more to me. I am not 100% that the crack is not in the paint, but I have a feeling if I take the cup out the seller(if he actually gets back to me) would put the blame on me.